Comments on: Christina Milian Keeps You Safe! http://the-classic-liberal.com/christina-milian-keeps-you-safe/ Libertarian & Old Right Conservative News, Politics, Economics, Opinion, Analysis. Wed, 23 May 2012 12:12:43 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: No surprise – Rangel broke ethics rules « A Conservative Shemale http://the-classic-liberal.com/christina-milian-keeps-you-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-12255 No surprise – Rangel broke ethics rules « A Conservative Shemale Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:08:39 +0000 http://the-classic-liberal.com/?p=25231#comment-12255 [...] FDA given their performance in areas such as burglary / fire alarms and electrical safety. Like the Classic Liberal, who made a similar point awhile back, Morrissey misses the fact that in many cases NRTL testing [...] [...] FDA given their performance in areas such as burglary / fire alarms and electrical safety. Like the Classic Liberal, who made a similar point awhile back, Morrissey misses the fact that in many cases NRTL testing [...]

]]> By: FMJRA Saturday « A Conservative Shemale http://the-classic-liberal.com/christina-milian-keeps-you-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-10677 FMJRA Saturday « A Conservative Shemale Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:38:20 +0000 http://the-classic-liberal.com/?p=25231#comment-10677 [...] 2010 January 16 by jenn1964 Nation of Cowards , The Classic Liberal, and The Other McCain all linked the 25 girls who never get speeding [...] [...] 2010 January 16 by jenn1964 Nation of Cowards , The Classic Liberal, and The Other McCain all linked the 25 girls who never get speeding [...]

]]> By: jenn http://the-classic-liberal.com/christina-milian-keeps-you-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-10603 jenn Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:43:41 +0000 http://the-classic-liberal.com/?p=25231#comment-10603 That's my point. Holding up UL as a paragon of the free market system is silly because they don't operate in a free market. Even prior to the creation of OSHA there was government involvement in the market through fire codes etc. If all the government coercion was removed I guarantee you that UL would fail within 5 years. No manufacturer wants to deal with the hassle and the UL mark provides zero protection in case of law suit. Most manufacturers would continue with some form of testing doe to the requirements of the Low Voltage Directive in Europe or regulatory requirements in countries such as Russia and China, but in my opinion the UL model would be extinct. That's my point. Holding up UL as a paragon of the free market system is silly because they don't operate in a free market. Even prior to the creation of OSHA there was government involvement in the market through fire codes etc. If all the government coercion was removed I guarantee you that UL would fail within 5 years. No manufacturer wants to deal with the hassle and the UL mark provides zero protection in case of law suit. Most manufacturers would continue with some form of testing doe to the requirements of the Low Voltage Directive in Europe or regulatory requirements in countries such as Russia and China, but in my opinion the UL model would be extinct.

]]> By: theCL http://the-classic-liberal.com/christina-milian-keeps-you-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-10572 theCL Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:16:43 +0000 http://the-classic-liberal.com/?p=25231#comment-10572 Take OSHA and "approved NRTL" out of the equation and you have a free market. The "virtual monopoly" was also created by OSHA (the government). Municipal fire codes are again, created by government. Take OSHA and "approved NRTL" out of the equation and you have a free market. The "virtual monopoly" was also created by OSHA (the government). Municipal fire codes are again, created by government.

]]> By: jenn http://the-classic-liberal.com/christina-milian-keeps-you-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-10550 jenn Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:29:26 +0000 http://the-classic-liberal.com/?p=25231#comment-10550 <i> It thrives — and makes our lives safer — by the power of its excellent reputation.</i> I would challenge you to find anyone who works in the field who will maintain that UL has an excellent reputation. A few things that Mr. Thornton doesn't mention. Most municipal fire codes require NRTL certification for things such as fuse boxes (UL is an NRTL lab) also NRTL testing is required for many products under 29 CFR. Many companies don't have the option of voluntarily participating because their products are listed in the CFR. Until the 1980's UL had a virtual monopoly on such work. They were one of two NRTLs approved by OSHA. It took a court battle to break that monopoly and once it happened they began losing market share. Deservedly in my opinion as they are even more bureaucratic and unresponsive than the government. Even now UL is essentially protected by the government due to the inordinately long time it takes OSHA to approve an NRTL. I know of one lab that has been seeking accreditation for over 5 years. I would submit that rather than a hero of the market economy UL is a perfect example of the government meddling in the market place. It thrives — and makes our lives safer — by the power of its excellent reputation.

I would challenge you to find anyone who works in the field who will maintain that UL has an excellent reputation.

A few things that Mr. Thornton doesn't mention. Most municipal fire codes require NRTL certification for things such as fuse boxes (UL is an NRTL lab) also NRTL testing is required for many products under 29 CFR. Many companies don't have the option of voluntarily participating because their products are listed in the CFR.

Until the 1980's UL had a virtual monopoly on such work. They were one of two NRTLs approved by OSHA. It took a court battle to break that monopoly and once it happened they began losing market share. Deservedly in my opinion as they are even more bureaucratic and unresponsive than the government.

Even now UL is essentially protected by the government due to the inordinately long time it takes OSHA to approve an NRTL. I know of one lab that has been seeking accreditation for over 5 years.

I would submit that rather than a hero of the market economy UL is a perfect example of the government meddling in the market place.

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