Today's political discourse can be boiled down to the 3-word phrase coined by Irish Cicero - Bumper Sticker Politics. Issues now take a back seat to the advancement of "team" talking points, and "gotchas" ... masquerading as debate.
It's sad.
Left vs. Right used to mean Big Government vs. limited government in America, but not anymore. Today, if you don't believe in Big Government dragged overseas via nation-building, you're automatically "on the left." Or if you're against socialized medicine, you get hit with nonsensical diatribes full of wild conspiracy theories that fall apart at the first glance. Not to mention claims that you hate children.
On both the left and the right, it's either accept the Hive Mind mentality or you're the enemy. Period.
Philosophy, history, and yes, nuance, don't matter. It's all Team Electoral Politics, Baby!
Thank You For Not Expressing Yourself
As it happens, I have myself sometimes been the recipient of such abuse: if, that is, one can be said to be the recipient of anything that remains in the virtual world alone. No subject is too recondite to provoke the insensate rage of those who disagree with the view the author has taken of it. Indeed, it sometimes seems as if fury leading to ill-mannered personal abuse and foul language is the predominant mode of disagreement in our society, at least among those who append their comments to an article that appears on the internet.
For example, I received unpleasant abuse for articles I wrote about Virginia Woolf and George Bernard Shaw. I am the first to admit that what I wrote was not emollient, indeed it strongly attacked both these figures to whom some people are strongly attached. But while I might have been mistaken in what I wrote, I do not think I am being partial in my own defence when I say that it was at least rational in the sense that it was based upon evidence culled from what they wrote. I quoted them at some length precisely to avoid the accusation of quotation out of context.
It is not necessary to repeat here what I said about them, but I shall give just one example. I pointed out that George Bernard Shaw never believed in the germ theory of disease (possibly the greatest advance in medical science ever made), regarded it as a delusion, and called Pasteur and Lister – two of the greatest benefactors of mankind, if one is prepared to admit that there can be such – impostors and frauds who had no idea of scientific method, unlike George Bernard Shaw, presumably. This was a preposterous, but not untypical, misjudgement of his, and one which he never recognised as such. Indeed, he went on re-publishing his libels on their memory until quite late in his life.
From the quality of the replies that I received, you might have supposed that I had animadverted on the moral qualities of the mothers of Latin American sons. No one ever wrote a reply (on these subjects, at any rate) claiming that I had misquoted them, quoted them out of context, misrepresented the totality of their work, overlooked their good qualities etc. I do not think I did these things, but still such replies would have been reasonable. No; I just received abuse, some of it unprintable and quite a lot of it vile.
The insults and abuse did not come from uneducated people. This is not surprising, really, because uneducated people are unlikely to care very much what George Bernard Shaw thought of the germ theory of disease; most of them have other, more practical things to think about. You have to have read Bernard Shaw to care, and these days at least, I think only university types are likely to do that.
Indeed, much of the abuse, even the vilest, came from university professors. Almost to a man (or woman), they said that what I had written was so outrageous, so ill-considered and ill-motivated, that it was not worth the trouble of refutation. On the other hand, they thought its author was worth insulting, if their practice was anything to go by. I didn’t know whether I – a mere scribbler – should feel flattered that I was deemed worthy of the scatological venom of professors (not all of them from minor institutions, and some of them quite eminent).
What struck me most about these missives is the sheer amount of hatred that they contained. It was not disdain or even contempt, but hatred.
It was as if the writers had had an abscess waiting to burst, and it had burst over me. I was but the occasion, not the cause of, the discharge. But what was the cause?
If we've lost sincere political discourse ... we've lost America too.















So true, so true. And anyone who accuses someone like yourself with being on the Left because you are against nation-building is just plain ignorant because that has been a hallmark of one part of the Right since the time of The Founding.
Regarding your main point: we must also remember that no one has ever, ever, been able to have a decent conversation with a member of the Radical Left. Thing was, up until forty or so years ago, they made up a small minority on the Left – now they and their thinking dominate.
I still think, however, that Thomas Jefferson is a pinko.
"Critical thinking" and all that other crap ... yeah, you're right! But it's all too easy to throw all the blame on them, so sometimes I prefer to point the finger in the mirror.
Don't blame you.
Bob's contribution to bumper sticker politics:
"Thomas Jefferson is a pinko"
I'd buy that for the shock value alone.
Oh, that's not bumper sticker politics. That's Bob pickin' on me. It makes me laugh every time I read it!
Enjoy youself: it's later than you think.
Even at CPAC, amongst what I would consider friends, you can see the end of the flamethrower's torch light up when one wishes to broach one of those great divides among conservatives like nation-building or the worship of some popular conservative figure.
The other issue I find, is that I do not have the time to joust with professional "internet people" whose job it is or whose life revolves around making points to support their argument. If I had all day, I am sure I could go 100 back'n-forth posts with an opposing view on what constitutes traditional American foreign policy. Unfortunately returning IRR's that blowout the S&P/Nasdaq/Russell are what puts bread on the table, so too often a retort to one of my flippant 'net comments goes unanswered.
I get frustrated a lot too. But all you can do is hopefully open one mind at a time. You can't change anyone's mind, but sometimes you can get through enough to open one up. The mainstream pundits and the like, however, are too caught up in electoral politics to take ideas seriously. It's frustrating, but there is hope.